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Post by klenotka on Dec 2, 2012 10:23:20 GMT
Oh, yeah, definitely. I love darker characters in general (good guys are not that fun ) and I believe David would handle it. He can do "Grimm" very well and in the course of two seasons, he grew and in the last episode, I had no idea who he would rather kill, Renard or Adelind. The sad part about it is that Adelind is technically human so she isn´t a Wesen. He can´t kill her because it would be a coldblooded murder. Ironically, his actions made her that way. He was ready to kill her back then, and obviously didn´t know that she is "possesed" in some way so she wouldn´t physically die. I think it will be interesting to watch this. He wants to hurt her so badly, but can´t. I would love to see them taking Nick all the way down and up again. Like, if he could go completely Grimm in a few episodes, then realizing what he is doing and go back again. It would definitely change him. He is a very different character now than he was even in the beginning of Season 2 and David can capture it brilliantly.
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Post by hyndara71 on Dec 2, 2012 19:25:56 GMT
As I've said before, I think they can't go too far if their don't want to change the show completely. David does the darker "grimmer" Grimm very well and I still have a crush on this scene at the end of 2.12 when he visits Adalind at the jail. That scene is pure and simple ... awesome! Nick first acting like a tiger behind bars, wandering up and down, and then this sad face when Adalind tells him about Marie *shakes head*. Really, I HAVE a serious crush there! David is a blast there and I can only bow before this acting. I don't think Nick is going to kill Sean or Adalind. Sasha is ways to prominent that TPTB would kick his role out of the show and with Claire hired I don't see Nick killing her - well, maybe at the end of the season but only if she would be Wesen again. Well, we'll see - in March *whimpers*
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Post by klenotka on Dec 2, 2012 20:36:04 GMT
I thought only "wants to kill", not that he will. Eventually, they both could become his allies and I just love David´s chemistry with Claire. I am looking forward to more scenes between Sasha and David, because so far, they only had scenes as a detective and his captain (even when they both knew the case was wesen related or even when Renard knew what was Nick doing). I can´t wait to see it because it will change the dynamics of the show again. All actors and characters (*cough* except Nick and Juliette*cough*) have a great chemistry and this will be very interesting to watch. I think fans of the main character will stay his fans no matter what - even when he would do some bad things we would be able to justify. Not kill innocent or so, but being a Grimm - hunt bad Wesen on his own - that would be actually what many people want to see so it could work
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Post by hyndara71 on Dec 3, 2012 12:09:18 GMT
That's was what I was talking about "killing innocent". I mean, I could (probably) deal with it but I think the gros wouldn't. You are right, the chemistry between David and Claire is great! That was one thing I noticed in season 1. Scenes where they both were together were mostly great. Not only that scene in BeeWare (which was great, no meaning), my favourite is still their little ... chatter at the brasserie in Love Sick with Nick ending up hitting the rest-room's door. Or after the fight when they are both ... well, Adalind didn't seem too well and Nick is only confused and not getting anything anymore - that's so cute! Adalind as Nick's allie? Don't think so, I think there will be a alliance between Nick and Sean to one point (to kick Adalind's and Eric's butts) but I doubt they will ever trust each other completely. And when David's spoilery slip about "leaving the precinct" is true ... well, we'll see ...
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Post by klenotka on Dec 3, 2012 17:21:17 GMT
I don´t think Nick could ever trust Renard (sorry, the *Sean* just seems wrong ) after what he has done. I believe Nick will find out very quickly about everything (at least it was hinted by both actors) and it could help him to have Renard on his side - especially with all the connections he has. You know that I read somewhere a theory that Renard might actually work with the Resistance? They uncover his intentions so slowly, that we really still don´t know so much about him. And he never really said anything about getting the power - he only wanted his rightful place in the family...maybe they did something ugly to his mother? Wouldn´t it be an irony, for both Renard and Nick, avenging their parents´ death in some way? (Nick´s mum may be alive but they still killed his dad). I think what David said about "leaving the precinct" meant "in his free time". Like that he will do a lots of Grimm stuff outside the police station but still will be a detective. I can´t imagine how they could keep the procedural part intact if he wasn´t - unless they would make Hank and Wu partners and Nick would become a private detective of sorts, helping here and there. It could work. David´s scenes with Claire are great. I mean, there is the tension between Adelind and Nick, where you can see his absolute hate for everything she is and what she did to him but he feels that she has important information so he may need her. And then you have both actors, who have obviously a blast making those scenes. Claire enjoys playing a total witchy witch and David can find that "dark part" in Nick thanks to it. I think as actors, they bring the best out of each other and that´s what I love the most - when the actors can help each other to be better and better. I read a little interview with Claire (a few lines somewhere) that Adelind finds out she is NOT that secure with her current allies....I wonder what that means but Renard family probably doesn´t have a problem to get rid of people who fail in their tasks. The temporary cooparation between those three (Nick, Renard and Adelind) could be VERY interesting. Is it March yet? (not only for Grimm but the winter didn´t properly start yet and I hate it already )
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Post by hyndara71 on Dec 3, 2012 23:27:28 GMT
I don´t think Nick could ever trust Renard (sorry, the *Sean* just seems wrong ) after what he has done. I believe Nick will find out very quickly about everything (at least it was hinted by both actors) and it could help him to have Renard on his side - especially with all the connections he has. No meaning. I think I only "call" him Sean because of the fanfics I'm writing. There it would be a little weird to write a scene out of his eyes and calling him "Renard", you know ? About the "finding out" I have my own theory when I'm thinking about that little, tiny scene in the trailer where they (Renard and Nick) are fighting. Nick is on his knees there so something (bad whumper!) is telling me, that Renard is probably stronger than the usual Wesen and could fight Nick down because of his Royal-side. When Nick is going to lose the fight he could ask himself why - well, and maybe he had found out something about the Royals himself, don't know ... Don't know if this were you but yes, I know this theory but I don't believe in it, sorry. He's too much Royal to work with the Läufer. But maybe I am wrong, don't know ... IF Kelly is really Kelly, I still don't believe that. Why Marie should have lied to Nick all this time. At least when she died she had to tell him about Kelly because his inheritage began, she didn't, so something is wrong with Kelly. Sorry, maybe she is really a Grimm and maybe she knew Kelly and Reed, but ... And yes, I know what this FBI-agent said. But, as far as I have the background in mind, the Grimm are all on some point relatives. Maybe "Kelly" is ... don't know ... another aunt from a sidearm of the Kessler-family, that would be close enough for the DNA-result. But not the real Kelly. It wouldn't make sense. We'll see but I really think he will leave. Maybe not for good, maybe he will be suspended or will move to another precinct because of Renard. David mentioned in one interview that Claire is absolutely in this "psychopath" way Adalind is now on. She had read some books about serial-killers and abnormal behaviour and such and would really enjoy to play the ... well, not so nice villian . David, well, what can I say? I LOVE the way he is acting Nick's struggleing for self-control and fight his emotions but seems more and more to lose this fight. And I'm really wondering where all this dark emotions are coming from, David is showing us now. Not from his former roles, this is clear. But he's so freaking awesome in doing this dark Nick ... wow! Well, that would really be interesting. And yes, I'm totally with you here. From my opinion (and it seems like I'm not completely wrong so often with listening to my gutt) it seems that the Royals are still a little ... well, they have a lot of power and a lot of henchmen and I'm pretty sure also a lot of influence. It wouldn't make me wonder when they are still stucking in the 17th century mentalwise . Nope, still December and we had the first snow here today (sad, completely melted away now ). As much as I love wintertime I cannot await March too! That's so unfair! NBC could finally give us the confirmation about a third season so we would have something to look forward too besides the ten episodes of the backhalf
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Post by klenotka on Dec 4, 2012 13:48:07 GMT
Sorry, but I think Kelly is Kelly. If she is hiding something? Definitely. 18 years is a long time but I don´t believe Nick wouldn´t recognize his own mother. The way she talked to him "Nick. Nicky. It´s me." was something she probably used to do and there are so many things other the how you look - your speech, sound of the voice...sorry, but Kelly IS Kelly. But Nick wasn´t 100% honest to her either and I think keeping secrets from the family among Grimms is something as a standard. Did Nick´s father know Kelly was a Grimm when he married her? Did she tell him before the wedding? Also, why did they bother to make up the whole name for Kelly´s friend sitting in the car? Maybe Marie had a good damn reason not to tell Nick. It would be hard to explain to him before he became a Grimm and she may have been worried that Nick would start digging and look for her if she told him. Which would be dangerous for him before his Grimm skills appeared. I wish they would stop making episodes with money stealing sheeps and started creating episodes with more story-arc and a mythology. And I am beginning to support the idea of Nick leaving the police. He could do his thing and Hank could be his "inside" help. I really think Wu could be Hank´s new partner and Renard in the picture now...I believe the dynamics will change after 2x13 but how much, it remains to be seen. In the trailer, in the scene with Nick and Renard, it looked like before some cottager or a house of some sort. I am wondering where it is and what it is. Yes, news about renewal would make it easier. *sigh* It´s been 2 weeks since the last episode and I am still trying to find a TV show to watch instead. Yes, there is Dexter and Leverage, but neither of them can replace it. I think I am just going to watch Grimm again from the beginning I can always find something new in there.
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Post by hyndara71 on Dec 5, 2012 0:39:27 GMT
I hear you but I still don't buy it. Sorry, as long as I don't have a real proof Kelly is not Nick's Mom. About more story-arc episodes ... *sigh* ... I hope TPTB probably knows more than we do and take the time for those stand alones like "Good Shepherd" because they KNOW NBC will greenlight a third season. As irritatin those stand alones are but they are also necessary to make Grimm appeal to casual viewers. For fans and those watching every episode without fandom-interest this episodes are ... helding back the "real stuff" (besides that I still enjoy especially Good Shepherd). But yeah, I think they could speed up a bit *sigh*. LOL Your plan sounds good !
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Post by klenotka on Dec 5, 2012 19:10:52 GMT
DNA on the crime scene is not enough? Nick recognized her, the DNA was "close enough to be a relative"... I enjoy the stand-alone episodes mainly because Nick can often be "Grimm" there, and there are also small hints of the story-arc (like in Good Sheperd, he killed the Nuckelavee and got rid of the body...it was a huge step from the "by the book" Nick he was in Season 1). But if the stories are enjoyble and less predictable, then I like them.
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Post by hyndara71 on Dec 5, 2012 21:30:24 GMT
Relative can also be an aunt or cousin, that's also close enough. Only by analysing the metochondrion DNS because if this is the same the chance is about 99 % Kelly IS his mother (metochondrion DNS is the only part of the gene only from the mother). Yeah, compare them and ... I would believe that. Yes, Nick is definitely changed from the "good guy" to ... whatever he is now. Not completely bad but taking more and more risks for himself. I really hope the story arc will now a little speed up when Grimm will be back (still such a long time ... ) especially when Nick finds out about Renard. Godness, I so want to watch the rest of the season! I miss the Boyz - well, I miss the whole show *sniff* ... LOL Just watching "The Tudors" now. Hehe, "Eric" as "Cromwell" - well, there he could train to play an a... not so nice man
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Post by heidsdk on Dec 17, 2012 10:11:19 GMT
i havent read all you have written but Nick deffo have changed alot since season one, and just the end scene in the last episode i was like, wholy moly the bad grimm is gonna come out now lol Im already watching season one again
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Post by klenotka on Dec 17, 2012 10:58:01 GMT
Welcome to the discussion Yes, I am fighting the urge to watch it again, too. But just because I just moved into a new place and it is the crazy time before Christmas. The expression on Nick´s face when he finds out about Renard is definitely "bad Grimm is gonna come out now", because if Renard was there, I think Nick would kill him.
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Post by heidsdk on Dec 17, 2012 12:10:42 GMT
Welcome to the discussion Yes, I am fighting the urge to watch it again, too. But just because I just moved into a new place and it is the crazy time before Christmas. The expression on Nick´s face when he finds out about Renard is definitely "bad Grimm is gonna come out now", because if Renard was there, I think Nick would kill him. YEah i think he would to lol. But i actually also think that he will leave the policce force and go full time Grimm, and as others of you, also i want to see more history in the episodes, like in the beginning, and im also waiting for juliette to find out about Nick. Its like they were at it but then boom the history in the episodes gone. Or is it just me?
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Post by peppersasen on Jan 1, 2013 20:17:01 GMT
oh. my. God. so i'm NOT the only one who actually stopped to think about his age? LOL. i was kind of weirded it out by it too. i guess something about him just appeals to mature women/women who don't typically go for young men. WEIRD. Let´s be honest, men have much more chance to get to the big screen even after 40. Sharlto Copley is a good example - he got his first movie role in 38!. Or even Bryan Cranston. He has been an actor since the 90s and thanks to Breaking Bad is successful enough to get movie roles. David is young - I can´t believe I have a crush on actor who is finally my age. My two other favourites, Hugh Jackman and Robert Downey Jr. are both way over 40 (RDJ hitting 50 next year). Some men just look better with age It is a matter of one lucky movie choice and he is there sad but true. men are like wine, they just get better and better as they age, while women are like raisins. no fair. i also agree that men have a better chance of getting second chances in film as they age (like they have no expiry date). i mean, i've only heard about him in 2012 and already he's over 30. i remember my manager would drag me from one audition to another when i was 26, and in the car, he would always remind me: "remember, tell the casting director you're 23, not 26." just passed 25 and already i was being told to lie about my age! stupid film industry is so bad for a woman's self-esteem. grrr! i also can't believe i'm liking an actor that's THIS close to my age! i usually go for Clooney and Colin Firth types, and i always date older men (the youngest i've been attracted to are born 1976 for men and 1977 for women). even in my mind, i keep thinking that David is 10-ish years older than me (but that's just because i keep confusing him with someone else who IS about a decade older than me). but it is seriously weird to me how he's really NOT that old. i haven't seen any of his other work (where he's actually ACTING and not being himself), but i think Nick is supposed to be 35-ish? what age were his other characters/roles? i still remember really realizing how NOT old he is: i looked him up (in 2012) and on his Wikipedia page it said he's born 1980 which means he's 32 which is the cut-off age for the UN YPP ( careers.un.org/lbw/home.aspx?viewtype=NCE). and the idea of him being young enough to actually SIT that exam with me was just soooo strange to me. the idea of me competing with men i'm attracted to (for a job) is just too much. he's young enough to be my brother (without the age gap awkwardness), but just not young enough to have attended university (for an undergrad degree) together. My, he's one age with my oldest nephew ... now I'm feeling really old! I think David also had a lot of luck to get this role. When you look at his appeareances ... he's working since 2007 as professional actor and mostly got very, very small roles. I mean when you look at those roles you also see an advancement in his acting. Just what you said, Klenotka, only how he's acting now instead of how he did Nick in season1. So, I think you are right, maybe in a few years he could make it up to feature movies - if he himself wants so. But for now, after only four years getting the leading-role in a TV-show was a giant step forwards. That this show turned out as a success will be better. i think for someone who didn't PLAN on this career, he's doing very, VERY well. i mean for someone who actually has a bachelor's (enrolled at the normal college age) and became an actor over a career change, it's pretty damn awesome. i heard he took acting classes. how long was the course he took?
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Post by Helen Bezzo on Jan 1, 2013 21:56:06 GMT
I don't know. Maybe that's a question best asked to David via Twitter? ;D
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